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	<title>Comments on: Norm Geisler Takes &#8220;The Shack&#8221; to the Wood Shed</title>
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		<title>By: Michelle Hill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michelle Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 07 Jan 2009 21:34:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Kipp, I appreciate how you dealt with the criticism of the book. You perfectly expressed my sentiments. When I finished reading the book my view of God was in no way changed. He is mysterious, all powerful and way beyond my limited ability to fully grasp His nature. However, I loved how the author dealt with our sinfulness. As a child in the Southern Baptist Church I always saw God as a vindictive power ready to send me to hell. I nearly lost the blessing of knowing Him personally.  I also loved how the book dealt with evil in the world. God will not interfere with our will in order to prevent evil, but He will use everything for His good purpose. People who seek to discredit works of fiction because they may challenge people&#039;s faith sadden me. They are so limited in their ability to enjoy the imaginative nature of those whom God has created. How many individuals still suffer from a hostile and negative view of God&#039;s nature because of religious institutions?  
Thanks for your commentary. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Kipp, I appreciate how you dealt with the criticism of the book. You perfectly expressed my sentiments. When I finished reading the book my view of God was in no way changed. He is mysterious, all powerful and way beyond my limited ability to fully grasp His nature. However, I loved how the author dealt with our sinfulness. As a child in the Southern Baptist Church I always saw God as a vindictive power ready to send me to hell. I nearly lost the blessing of knowing Him personally.  I also loved how the book dealt with evil in the world. God will not interfere with our will in order to prevent evil, but He will use everything for His good purpose. People who seek to discredit works of fiction because they may challenge people&#39;s faith sadden me. They are so limited in their ability to enjoy the imaginative nature of those whom God has created. How many individuals still suffer from a hostile and negative view of God&#39;s nature because of religious institutions? </p>
<p>Thanks for your commentary. </p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:07:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem Fourteen: It Entails Divine Deception&#8230;&#8220;&lt;i&gt;&#8230;God is a spirit (Jn. 4:24) and He has no body (Lk. 24:39). God is never called a &#8220;Mother&#8221; in the Bible. It is deceptive to portray God&#8217;s Nature in any way that He is not, even though ones motive is loving (91-92). A lie told with a loving motive is still a lie&#8230;&lt;/i&gt;&#8221; 
God may not be explicitely identified as a &#8220;mother&#8221;, but the Hebrew Bible in particular is loaded with language that alludes to God&#8217;s maternal qualities. He is said to nourish the people of Israel in the same manner that a mother breast-feeds her infant (Num 11:12), and to protect them as a mother hen (Matt 23:37). Furthermore, there are a number of pericopae in the Old Testament that suggest that there was a female counterpart to the Hebrew God Yahweh (Cf. Job 28:12&#8211;28; Prov 1:20&#8211;33; 3:7&#8211;19; 8:1&#8211;36; 9:1&#8211;18), to make no mention of the extensive archaeological evidence for female dieties as part of the religious expression in Ancient Israelite Yahwism. It seems that the characterizations of God used in The Shack tread upon Dr. Geisler&#8217;s masculine sensibilities which have led him to conclude that one can only speak of God in masculine terms. Young, I believe, is merely pointing to the fact that God defies gender altogether, and to speak of him as a man or a woman is inaccurate, but wholly understandable and acceptable. 
 
I must confess. I, like Mr. Wheaton, have not read &lt;i&gt;The Shack&lt;/i&gt;, but based upon Dr. Geisler&#8217;s review, it seems that I should. I don&#8217;t expect that my criticism of Geisler&#8217;s opinions will meet with a very favourable response among the readers of this blog, however, I am compelled to respond largely because the review posted follows a well-beaten path of evangelical theological fallicies. I don&#8217;t expect that what I have written will change many hearts or minds, but I do hope that those who read it will begin to think more carefully about what they believe and why. 
 
KD. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem Fourteen: It Entails Divine Deception&hellip;&ldquo;<i>&hellip;God is a spirit (Jn. 4:24) and He has no body (Lk. 24:39). God is never called a &ldquo;Mother&rdquo; in the Bible. It is deceptive to portray God&rsquo;s Nature in any way that He is not, even though ones motive is loving (91-92). A lie told with a loving motive is still a lie&hellip;</i>&rdquo;</p>
<p>God may not be explicitely identified as a &ldquo;mother&rdquo;, but the Hebrew Bible in particular is loaded with language that alludes to God&rsquo;s maternal qualities. He is said to nourish the people of Israel in the same manner that a mother breast-feeds her infant (Num 11:12), and to protect them as a mother hen (Matt 23:37). Furthermore, there are a number of pericopae in the Old Testament that suggest that there was a female counterpart to the Hebrew God Yahweh (Cf. Job 28:12&ndash;28; Prov 1:20&ndash;33; 3:7&ndash;19; 8:1&ndash;36; 9:1&ndash;18), to make no mention of the extensive archaeological evidence for female dieties as part of the religious expression in Ancient Israelite Yahwism. It seems that the characterizations of God used in The Shack tread upon Dr. Geisler&rsquo;s masculine sensibilities which have led him to conclude that one can only speak of God in masculine terms. Young, I believe, is merely pointing to the fact that God defies gender altogether, and to speak of him as a man or a woman is inaccurate, but wholly understandable and acceptable.</p>
<p>I must confess. I, like Mr. Wheaton, have not read <i>The Shack</i>, but based upon Dr. Geisler&rsquo;s review, it seems that I should. I don&rsquo;t expect that my criticism of Geisler&rsquo;s opinions will meet with a very favourable response among the readers of this blog, however, I am compelled to respond largely because the review posted follows a well-beaten path of evangelical theological fallicies. I don&rsquo;t expect that what I have written will change many hearts or minds, but I do hope that those who read it will begin to think more carefully about what they believe and why.</p>
<p>KD. </p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-481</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:05:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem Twelve: A Wrong View of Faith and Reason&#8230;&#8220;&lt;i&gt;&#8230;Even common sense informs us that this is no way to live the Christian life. The Bible says&#8230;&lt;/i&gt;&#8221; 
 
The Bible also says that &#8220;God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are, so that no one might boast in the presence of God&#8221; (1 Cor. 1:27&#8211;29 NRSV). The point is that the Bible says a great deal many things, and not all of it is reasonable, logical and resounding with rational clarity. Faith, by its very definition is the antipathy of reason which is based on a conviction of certainty. It&#8217;s all a part of the wonderful mystery of how God acts and how we ought to live. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem Twelve: A Wrong View of Faith and Reason&hellip;&ldquo;<i>&hellip;Even common sense informs us that this is no way to live the Christian life. The Bible says&hellip;</i>&rdquo;</p>
<p>The Bible also says that &ldquo;God chose what is foolish in the world to shame the wise; God chose what is weak in the world to shame the strong; God chose what is low and despised in the world, things that are not, to reduce to nothing things that are, so that no one might boast in the presence of God&rdquo; (1 Cor. 1:27&ndash;29 NRSV). The point is that the Bible says a great deal many things, and not all of it is reasonable, logical and resounding with rational clarity. Faith, by its very definition is the antipathy of reason which is based on a conviction of certainty. It&rsquo;s all a part of the wonderful mystery of how God acts and how we ought to live. </p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-480</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:03:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem Eleven: An Inclusivistic View of Who Will be Saved&#8230;&#8220;&lt;i&gt;&#8230;the Scriptures affirm that there is no salvation apart from knowing Christ&#8230;&lt;/i&gt;&#8221; 
 
Does Young actually deny this. Not from my perspective. What Dr. Geisler is missing is in his challenge is the subtle criticsm that Young is making of religion in general. It is important to note that Jesus was not a Christian: he was a Jew, and his desire was never to found a new religion, but to reform the old one. Jesus made many exclusive claims, but many of these should be considered in tension with the religious and political climate of his day. Jesus entire ministry was restricted to Palestine, and his respondents were virtually all Jews of one religious colour or another. There was a universal recognition among his listeners of what religion was, and in this context, Jesus claims of Jewish exclusivism need to be weighed carefully. The spirit of his message was more relational than cultic: and it remains a mystery what Jesus position would have been concerning non-Jewish religious practices. Young can make the claim that God does not have a religious preference, while mainting that Jesus way is the only way. He can do so in recognizing that it may very well be possible to honour Jesus, to observe his ethic and to be a member of the Kingdom of God while participating in another cultic expression the principles that Jesus taught. It is significant that Jesus never endorsed one religion over another: in fact, the majority of his criticsms are levelled against religious protocol, and involve a variety of different &#8220;religious&#8221; adherents within Judaism. Jesus never aligned himself with one group over another; rather, he claimed that they were all missing the point. I do believe that this is closer to what Young was trying to achieve in his book. </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem Eleven: An Inclusivistic View of Who Will be Saved&hellip;&ldquo;<i>&hellip;the Scriptures affirm that there is no salvation apart from knowing Christ&hellip;</i>&rdquo;</p>
<p>Does Young actually deny this. Not from my perspective. What Dr. Geisler is missing is in his challenge is the subtle criticsm that Young is making of religion in general. It is important to note that Jesus was not a Christian: he was a Jew, and his desire was never to found a new religion, but to reform the old one. Jesus made many exclusive claims, but many of these should be considered in tension with the religious and political climate of his day. Jesus entire ministry was restricted to Palestine, and his respondents were virtually all Jews of one religious colour or another. There was a universal recognition among his listeners of what religion was, and in this context, Jesus claims of Jewish exclusivism need to be weighed carefully. The spirit of his message was more relational than cultic: and it remains a mystery what Jesus position would have been concerning non-Jewish religious practices. Young can make the claim that God does not have a religious preference, while mainting that Jesus way is the only way. He can do so in recognizing that it may very well be possible to honour Jesus, to observe his ethic and to be a member of the Kingdom of God while participating in another cultic expression the principles that Jesus taught. It is significant that Jesus never endorsed one religion over another: in fact, the majority of his criticsms are levelled against religious protocol, and involve a variety of different &ldquo;religious&rdquo; adherents within Judaism. Jesus never aligned himself with one group over another; rather, he claimed that they were all missing the point. I do believe that this is closer to what Young was trying to achieve in his book. </p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-479</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Nov 2008 19:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Many of the remaining of Geisler&#8217;s criticisms I consider fairly minor, but I wish to draw attention to the following: 
Problem Five: An Unbiblical View of Punishing Sin&#8230;&#8220;&#8230;The Shack presents lop-sided view of God as love but not justice. This view of a God who will not punish sin undermines the central message of Christianity&#8212;that Christ died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:1f.) and rose from the dead&#8230; &#8220; 
In the economy of God, are we certain that &#8220;justice&#8221; requires the punishment of sin? Paul&#8217;s forensic portrait of salvation is merely one of several illustrations of how God saves. Paul suffered from the same problem as Young, and Geisler, and virtually everyone who has ever hoped to explain a spiritual truth: how do we speak meaningfully about something that defies human concepts and descriptions? I don&#8217;t deny (and I don&#8217;t think that Young would either) that Christ&#8217;s death was an atonement for sin, but I think the emphasis of The Shack&#8217;s author was meant to be upon the presumptuousness of many concerning the vindictive nature of God&#8217;s punishment. Was Christ&#8217;s death the once and for all atoning act that covered the sins of the world? Or does God also require the eternal suffering of most of his creation to make some sort of extreme cosmic point about justice? </description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the remaining of Geisler&rsquo;s criticisms I consider fairly minor, but I wish to draw attention to the following:</p>
<p>Problem Five: An Unbiblical View of Punishing Sin&hellip;&ldquo;&hellip;The Shack presents lop-sided view of God as love but not justice. This view of a God who will not punish sin undermines the central message of Christianity&mdash;that Christ died for our sins (1 Cor. 15:1f.) and rose from the dead&hellip; &ldquo;</p>
<p>In the economy of God, are we certain that &ldquo;justice&rdquo; requires the punishment of sin? Paul&rsquo;s forensic portrait of salvation is merely one of several illustrations of how God saves. Paul suffered from the same problem as Young, and Geisler, and virtually everyone who has ever hoped to explain a spiritual truth: how do we speak meaningfully about something that defies human concepts and descriptions? I don&rsquo;t deny (and I don&rsquo;t think that Young would either) that Christ&rsquo;s death was an atonement for sin, but I think the emphasis of The Shack&rsquo;s author was meant to be upon the presumptuousness of many concerning the vindictive nature of God&rsquo;s punishment. Was Christ&rsquo;s death the once and for all atoning act that covered the sins of the world? Or does God also require the eternal suffering of most of his creation to make some sort of extreme cosmic point about justice? </p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-451</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gina wrote...
&lt;i&gt;&quot;...If we are to go with sola scriptura (a concept which is not in the Bible) we can only read the Old Testament since the New Testament had not yet been codified when Paul wrote II Timothy...&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

It is even more complicated than that. The &quot;New Testament&quot; was not even conceived of in such terms as we would when this statement was written in 2 Timothy, but the Old Testament itself was also a matter of considerable debate. There were many wide-ranging opinions in Judaism regarding the shape of the &quot;Scriptures&quot;, especially outside of the Torah.

Besides, 2Timothy 3:15–16 is not even about the range or even the quality of Scripture. The emphasis on the passage is upon Scripture&#039;s usefulness; hardly an emphatic endorsement of its exclusivity or its inerrency.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gina wrote&#8230;<br />
<i>&#8220;&#8230;If we are to go with sola scriptura (a concept which is not in the Bible) we can only read the Old Testament since the New Testament had not yet been codified when Paul wrote II Timothy&#8230;&#8221;</i></p>
<p>It is even more complicated than that. The &#8220;New Testament&#8221; was not even conceived of in such terms as we would when this statement was written in 2 Timothy, but the Old Testament itself was also a matter of considerable debate. There were many wide-ranging opinions in Judaism regarding the shape of the &#8220;Scriptures&#8221;, especially outside of the Torah.</p>
<p>Besides, 2Timothy 3:15–16 is not even about the range or even the quality of Scripture. The emphasis on the passage is upon Scripture&#8217;s usefulness; hardly an emphatic endorsement of its exclusivity or its inerrency.</p>
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		<title>By: Gina Nakagawa</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Gina Nakagawa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 00:24:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Books like this make my teeth itch.  More drivvle, more nonsense, more delusional material, more satisfying mass &quot;culture&quot; without consideration for souls..

However, I am not crazy about more cherry picking either.  If we are to go with sola scriptura (a concept which is not in the Bible) we can only read the Old Testament since the New Testament had not yet been codified when Paul wrote II Timothy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Books like this make my teeth itch.  More drivvle, more nonsense, more delusional material, more satisfying mass &#8220;culture&#8221; without consideration for souls..</p>
<p>However, I am not crazy about more cherry picking either.  If we are to go with sola scriptura (a concept which is not in the Bible) we can only read the Old Testament since the New Testament had not yet been codified when Paul wrote II Timothy.</p>
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		<title>By: Dianne</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-413</link>
		<dc:creator>Dianne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Nov 2008 15:54:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you for providing this concise, to the point review. I know some Christians who promote the reading of this book and see nothing wrong with its message. That the ending is &quot;exceptional!&quot; Emotionally stirring, over-rides  &quot;Come, let us reason together.&quot; Rationalizing it with the statement, &quot;I believe it won&#039;t cause harm in reading it and drawing your own conclusions.&quot;
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (23) And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for providing this concise, to the point review. I know some Christians who promote the reading of this book and see nothing wrong with its message. That the ending is &#8220;exceptional!&#8221; Emotionally stirring, over-rides  &#8220;Come, let us reason together.&#8221; Rationalizing it with the statement, &#8220;I believe it won&#8217;t cause harm in reading it and drawing your own conclusions.&#8221;<br />
Rom 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools (23) And changed the glory of the incorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
		<link>http://thechristianworldview.com/tcwblog/archives/934/comment-page-1#comment-383</link>
		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Problem Three: The Rejection of Sola Scriptura…“…the Bible clearly declares that “Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Indeed, our comfort is not found in extra-biblical revelations but is realized in that “through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope” (Rom. 15:4). In short, the Bible is sufficient for faith and practice. No new truth beyond the Bible is needed for doctrine or living the Christian life…”
Does the Bible really make such claims? Dr. Geisler seems to think so, and his use of prooftexts to support this position seems to indicate as much. But the situation is much more complicated than he would have us believe (or perhaps than he believes himself, although with his breadth of knowledge and experience I highly doubt it). He claims first, that Scripture is exclusive, second that it is sufficient, and in the process alludes to its quality as infallible or inerrent. But two questions pose serious challenges to his summary: First, what is Scripture? The Protestant answers this question with the 66 books of the Old and New Testament. The Catholic would add the Apocrypha. The Jew would reject the New Testament and the Apocrypha, but would hold the Mishna and Talmudim as necessary interpretive vehicles. The Samaritans would have rejected everything except the Torah. The writers and collectors of the Dead Sea Scrolls may have affirmed all the books of the Hebrew Bible (but probably not), and would have added Jubilees, 1 Enoch, the Temple Scroll and perhaps a number of other texts. We have no idea whatsoever exactly what was in Paul’s Scriptures, nor in Jesus’, nor in any other of the Apostles or authors of the New Testament. We can be fairly certain, however, that when Paul talked of “Scripture” he was not speaking of one of the closed canons of the Christians or the Jews in later centuries. In fact, the nature of the declaration attributed to him (but quite plausibly not written by him) in 2 Timothy indicates that “Scripture” is not a closed, fixed collection; rather “all (or “every”!) Scripture” is inspired. In other words, any book that makes divine claims is Scripture, and is included in his blessing. Without a clear understanding of the shape of Scripture which biblical authors presumably alluded to, any claims to the exlcusivity of a given canon are nullified.
Second, what is “inspiration”? Geisler seems to equate inspiration with sufficiency, or perfection, or inerrency/infallibility. But this is really an over-translation of the term that appears only once in all of the Bible (2 Tim 3:15). How clear are the author’s instructions to Timothy, really? Are the parameters of what constitutes the “sacred writings” clear? Is the designation “all Scripture” self-explanatory in terms of which Scriptures the author has in mind? Is the simple literal translation “God-breathed” self-explanatory in its description of the quality of “inspiration”? Does the “profitable” (or my preference, “useful”) quality of Scripture clearly denote it’s total sufficiency? Is the point of the author in this passage to even discuss the quality of Scripture at all? The problems associated with Geisler’s straight-forward approach to this text are litany, and have been dealt with at length by James Barr, John Barton, most recently by Craig D. Allert, and others. The concerns in these verses are twofold: first, to say something of the nature of all the Scriptures as somehow infused with the Spirit of God. In light of how the breath of God functions elsewhere in Scripture, I belive a more accurate understanding of its use here is to indicate something about it’s living and dynamic quality (cf. Gen 2:7; also Heb 4:12). Second, to say something of the usefulness of the Scriptures. Nothing is clearly indicated from the passage of their sufficiency or even their parameters. Suffice it to say, an appeal to these four, isolated verses from one of the more insignificant of the New Testament documents most certainly does not make his case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Problem Three: The Rejection of Sola Scriptura…“…the Bible clearly declares that “Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be competent for every good work” (2 Tim. 3:16-17). Indeed, our comfort is not found in extra-biblical revelations but is realized in that “through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope” (Rom. 15:4). In short, the Bible is sufficient for faith and practice. No new truth beyond the Bible is needed for doctrine or living the Christian life…”<br />
Does the Bible really make such claims? Dr. Geisler seems to think so, and his use of prooftexts to support this position seems to indicate as much. But the situation is much more complicated than he would have us believe (or perhaps than he believes himself, although with his breadth of knowledge and experience I highly doubt it). He claims first, that Scripture is exclusive, second that it is sufficient, and in the process alludes to its quality as infallible or inerrent. But two questions pose serious challenges to his summary: First, what is Scripture? The Protestant answers this question with the 66 books of the Old and New Testament. The Catholic would add the Apocrypha. The Jew would reject the New Testament and the Apocrypha, but would hold the Mishna and Talmudim as necessary interpretive vehicles. The Samaritans would have rejected everything except the Torah. The writers and collectors of the Dead Sea Scrolls may have affirmed all the books of the Hebrew Bible (but probably not), and would have added Jubilees, 1 Enoch, the Temple Scroll and perhaps a number of other texts. We have no idea whatsoever exactly what was in Paul’s Scriptures, nor in Jesus’, nor in any other of the Apostles or authors of the New Testament. We can be fairly certain, however, that when Paul talked of “Scripture” he was not speaking of one of the closed canons of the Christians or the Jews in later centuries. In fact, the nature of the declaration attributed to him (but quite plausibly not written by him) in 2 Timothy indicates that “Scripture” is not a closed, fixed collection; rather “all (or “every”!) Scripture” is inspired. In other words, any book that makes divine claims is Scripture, and is included in his blessing. Without a clear understanding of the shape of Scripture which biblical authors presumably alluded to, any claims to the exlcusivity of a given canon are nullified.<br />
Second, what is “inspiration”? Geisler seems to equate inspiration with sufficiency, or perfection, or inerrency/infallibility. But this is really an over-translation of the term that appears only once in all of the Bible (2 Tim 3:15). How clear are the author’s instructions to Timothy, really? Are the parameters of what constitutes the “sacred writings” clear? Is the designation “all Scripture” self-explanatory in terms of which Scriptures the author has in mind? Is the simple literal translation “God-breathed” self-explanatory in its description of the quality of “inspiration”? Does the “profitable” (or my preference, “useful”) quality of Scripture clearly denote it’s total sufficiency? Is the point of the author in this passage to even discuss the quality of Scripture at all? The problems associated with Geisler’s straight-forward approach to this text are litany, and have been dealt with at length by James Barr, John Barton, most recently by Craig D. Allert, and others. The concerns in these verses are twofold: first, to say something of the nature of all the Scriptures as somehow infused with the Spirit of God. In light of how the breath of God functions elsewhere in Scripture, I belive a more accurate understanding of its use here is to indicate something about it’s living and dynamic quality (cf. Gen 2:7; also Heb 4:12). Second, to say something of the usefulness of the Scriptures. Nothing is clearly indicated from the passage of their sufficiency or even their parameters. Suffice it to say, an appeal to these four, isolated verses from one of the more insignificant of the New Testament documents most certainly does not make his case.</p>
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		<title>By: Kipp Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kipp Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Nov 2008 05:22:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This review—like the content of this hosting site—will appeal to strict, biblicistic evangelicals, but it must be tempered with the reality that some of the “classic” evangelical doctrines result from a misreading of history and historical theology. Furthermore, it is dubious that many adhere to these ideas (ie: a rigid view of the Trinity, biblical inerrency, the tangibility of “hell”, etc.) without a firm grasp of their historical development, and the debt that these—like all ideas—owe to to culture. Dr. Geisler makes his case in simple and persuasive terms, but there are a few areas which require further review. Because of the word-length constraints of this blog, I will need to post this in sections:

Problem One: A Rejection of Traditional Christianity…&lt;i&gt;“one might question whether it is Christianity that needs revision or Christians that need to be revitalized…”&lt;/i&gt;

It is a good question, but it is one for which there is little agreement among Christians. Dr. Geisler insinuates that Christianity is a religion that has remained intact from its inception, and experienced little or no discernible change, when in fact the very nature of Christianity—like its predecessors in Jewish religion—is conditioned for adaptibility. One of the reasons the Church has prevailed and succeeded as it has is because of it’s tendency to adapt. Albeit, too often, change in the church is slow, and Geisler is representative of a movement that believes it ought not change at all. Yet change is inevitable; as certain as it is that the many expressions of Christian faith that are practiced now are almost unrecognizable descendants of the religion of the Early Church and the Apostolic Fathers; to say nothing of the Second Temple Judaisms from which Jesus of Nazareth emerged.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This review—like the content of this hosting site—will appeal to strict, biblicistic evangelicals, but it must be tempered with the reality that some of the “classic” evangelical doctrines result from a misreading of history and historical theology. Furthermore, it is dubious that many adhere to these ideas (ie: a rigid view of the Trinity, biblical inerrency, the tangibility of “hell”, etc.) without a firm grasp of their historical development, and the debt that these—like all ideas—owe to to culture. Dr. Geisler makes his case in simple and persuasive terms, but there are a few areas which require further review. Because of the word-length constraints of this blog, I will need to post this in sections:</p>
<p>Problem One: A Rejection of Traditional Christianity…<i>“one might question whether it is Christianity that needs revision or Christians that need to be revitalized…”</i></p>
<p>It is a good question, but it is one for which there is little agreement among Christians. Dr. Geisler insinuates that Christianity is a religion that has remained intact from its inception, and experienced little or no discernible change, when in fact the very nature of Christianity—like its predecessors in Jewish religion—is conditioned for adaptibility. One of the reasons the Church has prevailed and succeeded as it has is because of it’s tendency to adapt. Albeit, too often, change in the church is slow, and Geisler is representative of a movement that believes it ought not change at all. Yet change is inevitable; as certain as it is that the many expressions of Christian faith that are practiced now are almost unrecognizable descendants of the religion of the Early Church and the Apostolic Fathers; to say nothing of the Second Temple Judaisms from which Jesus of Nazareth emerged.</p>
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